User talk:--unknown--

hey
main reason why xymph deletes your edits is because it's not up to the wiki's standard of editing. This is not a wikia, don't edit pages like a 10 y/o. --ZeroTheEro (talk) 16:25, 19 June 2023 (CDT)


 * Xymph already told me. What even is the difference between a wiki and wikia
 * See here and here. --Xymph (talk) 15:28, 20 June 2023 (CDT)
 * Adding to this, this essay on Wikipedia may help to explain the issue. Although nobody expects editors to be perfect, your recently added Russian Overkill article for instance does not suggest any degree of effort. It would help a lot if you looked at other pre-existing articles as a basis to build from, so you understand the general formatting and type of content that should appear, because these one-sentence stubs aren't actually very helpful, as you are essentially asking other editors to do 99% of the work for you. Sena (talk) 21:04, 20 June 2023 (CDT)

will the table of contents appear
Just doing a little experiment, also i want to use all of the features in the wiki. '''So this text is bold, right? ok cool.' and i guess this part is italic. WOW!'' I hope i can do both bold and italic

big headline, cool
sorry if this seems stupid, i'm just messing around. I'm really bad when it comes to this.

That horizontal line must look fire. It only looks like 4 dashes

I'm not inserting a category, I'm still a skill issue with that

idk how to use code

it didn't work
No contents, i must figure this out. also that line made a whole new message. sorry

nvm
the contents are here.

Article quality
Hi. While I appreciate your enthusiasm in creating wanted pages, I am sorry to say that the quality of the articles you are adding are just not up to par. There is really no benefit to having a page be created when it either is extremely simplistic (with one or two lines at most) or just broken: not using proper formatting, not linking to other pages properly, not having proper categories, not having proper capitalization and/or grammar, and so on and so forth.

If you want to learn, the best way to do so is to first of all find a specific subject you'd like to cover here, then look at similar pages of said subject to see what kind of quality they have, and know that making articles similar to those is what you should be aiming for. I understand if even in those cases you still make some mistakes, but that's where other users could help in providing more specific advice, because right now, all the basics are missing.

I am gonna take your latest article, Ceiling, as an example, and point out how the entire thing is completely unfit for any wiki:

The ceiling is the highest part of a room in doom. They can have multiple textures. There is nothing above the ceiling as Doom is not full 3d and can't render actors on top of each other and multiple floors of a map. Ultimate Doom Builder is a newer form of doom and can do what regular doom can't

sorry just making another wanted article

1) "The ceiling is the highest part of a room in doom." Here we have incorrect capitalization (it's Doom, not doom), plus also an incorrect technical definition, because the ceiling is the highest part of a sector, not a "room", whatever a room even means in this context.

2) "They can have multiple textures." I have no idea what this means actually, because in vanilla for instance, ceilings (and floors, collectively called flats) cannot have any wall texture at all, but instead rely on flat graphics that can be used exclusively on them.

3) "There is nothing above the ceiling as Doom is not full 3d and can't render actors on top of each other and multiple floors of a map." This is a lot of information that is first of all incorrect (Doom *is* a 3D game), nor does it have anything to do with the article in question. Why are we bringing up actors on top of eachother when it comes to the ceiling, which doesn't have anything to do with actors? Why are we talking about multiple floors of a map instead of talking about the technical specifications of the ceiling in question (whatever they might be?)

4) "Ultimate Doom Builder is a newer form of doom and can do what regular doom can't" What? Ultimate Doom Builder is a newer form of doom? What does that even mean? What does "newer form" mean? What can it do that regular Doom can't? None of this makes any sense, especially considering Ultimate Doom Builder is, in fact, *not* a "newer" form of Doom: it is a map editor, that can also create maps that are vanilla compatible and subject to the same exact limitations as any other editor in that regard. You may be thinking of a source port, which is manifestly not what Ultimate Doom Builder is, but even if it were, it's still not pertinent to bring it up because not only you don't explain what it can do, but it also has nothing to do with the subject in question.

5) "sorry just making another wanted article" Articles themselves are not the place for comments like these: those go in either the summary/edit description, or on the talk page of the article in question.

As you can see, the whole article, small as it is, is just completely unfit for the wiki. In this case having an article like this is actually worse than having a wanted page, because it means other people will have to spend their own valuable free time in cleaning up something that should never have been submitted in this form in the first place. Now fortunately for this case, I merely redirected Ceiling to the already existing Sector page, as it does not even pass the notability threshold for being a stand-alone page.

I really do not mean to demoralize or demean your work, but what I am trying to do is make you understand that enthusiasm alone is not enough to be able to make good wiki pages. I reiterate the idea that you should probably look into covering a specific topic (rather than looking for random pages to fill in), preferably something you are interested in when it comes to this game, and then look at similar pages to see how they are structured and written, and use them as an example. Feel free to experiment on them using your sandbox page (you can copy&paste wiki text there) and utilizing the preview function to get to grips with templates and whatnot. And of course if you have any technical questions about those, we'd be happy to help. But please do not just create tiny, poorly written and formatted stub pages, because if your intention is to help us, I assure you, they achieve the opposite result.

Let me know if you have any more questions or I can help in some other way. Have a good day! --Dynamo128 (talk) 04:53, 21 June 2023 (CDT)


 * As an even better example, compare the difference between the page you created for Russian Overkill, and the reboot of that page by Eris Falling. The latter is the bare minimum of what constitutes as a good early draft of a page, and I think you can clearly see how you missed the mark entirely. To repeat the point, if your intention is just to create pages similar to what you have been doing, then please, don't bother. --Dynamo128 (talk) 05:52, 21 June 2023 (CDT)


 * ok I was hoping someone could make it better. I'm not the best author and if someone could fix it up that would be great.--User:--unknown-- (talk) 14:11, 21 June 2023 (CDT)


 * Yes, well, do not hope for that. Because we are not waiters, arriving to serve people's other articles when they've had no quality work put into them. Like I said, unless you are determined to make sure your future articles meet the standards of quality I've described to you, do not bother making any more. If you are willing to make them good, then we'd be happy to help, but only in that circumstance. --Dynamo128 (talk) 14:15, 21 June 2023 (CDT)
 * could you tell me how to access this sandbox page without a link? Also do you mind leaving a summary of a few standards you want in the articles? Thanks, i would hate to accidentally cause more trouble on this wiki. --User:--unknown-- (talk) 14:21, 21 June 2023 (CDT)
 * That sandbox is redlinked above. Do you actually read, think about what you have read, and learn from it? The link to the guidelines was already provided before too. The more you post, the more I think ZeroTheEro correctly guessed that you are only 10 years old. Either that, or you're trolling us. --Xymph (talk) 14:40, 21 June 2023 (CDT)

Irrelevant chatter
Hi, you made some comments to various talk pages these past few days that do not pertain or contribute to actual wiki content or discussions, several of them unsigned. This wiki is an encyclopedia and talk posts "should be directed toward improving the articles, not about random subjects". Read that section of the guidelines (and the rest of them too, soon). If you want to chat, that's fine -- but do it on Doomworld or another forum, not here. The comments have been reverted.

Also, please properly sign future posts the way everyone does, as pointed out before. That unwieldy long-winded manual construction is getting tiresome fast. Thanks. --Xymph (talk) 11:24, 21 June 2023 (CDT)
 * sorry about that. I did not know before. --User:--unknown-- (talk) 14:12, 21 June 2023 (CDT)
 * That must be because you don't actually read information already presented to you before, or willingly ignore it -- such as the request to stop using this idiotic talk signature. I normalized it now. Once again, please use a normal signature, or stop posting. --Xymph (talk) 14:40, 21 June 2023 (CDT)

Ok, just realized it's not a manual construction, but that long-winded string must be coming from the "New signature" field in your Preferences. For that I apologize. But it would still be an improvement if you'd clear that field, or replace it with a reasonably short string. --Xymph (talk) 15:14, 21 June 2023 (CDT)